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Subject: Srila Prabhupada speaks on: "What Abortionists Don't Know"
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"What Abortionists Don't Know"
73/08/18 London, Bhagavad-gita 2.12
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Pradyumna (leads chanting, etc.):
na tv evaham jatu nasam
na tvam neme janadhipah
na caiva na bhavisyamah
sarve vayam atah param
[Bg. 2.12]
"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these
kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be."
Prabhupada: This is a very important verse. The modern scientists,
philosophers, they say that after finishing this body, we no more
exist, finished, everything finished. This is not new. In olden times
also there were atheists like Carvaka Muni, he also said like that:
bhasmi-bhutasya dehasya kutah punar agamano bhavet. Now why you are
worrying about next life? As soon as this body is burned into ashes,
everything is finished. According to Vedic funeral ritualistic
ceremony, the body is burned. There are three ends of the body, either
to become stool, or to become ashes, or to become earth. Those who are
burying the body, just like the Christian, Mohammedans do, the body
becomes earth. Everything, from the earth it has come up: "Dust thou
were, dust thou beist." This beautiful body, nice body, will become
earth. And those who are burning, so their body becomes ashes. And
those who throw the body to be eaten by jackals and crows, they become
stool. This is the end of the body. We are taking so much care of this
body, but the ultimate end of this body is either stool, earth or
ashes. So foolish persons who are in the bodily concept of life, they
are thinking: "After all, this body will be finished. So so long the
body is there, senses are there, let us enjoy. Why so much
restrictions, no illicit sex, no gambling? No. These are all nonsense.
Let us enjoy life." This is atheistic life. Foolish life. They do not
know, so the body is not all.
This is the first lesson to understand, what is spiritual life, what
is spiritual knowledge. But all rascals, they do not know. Therefore
Krsna first of all slapped Arjuna: asocyan anvasocas tvam
prajna-vadams ca bhasase [Bg. 2.11]. "You do not know what is the
fact, and talking like a very learned man. Just try to understand what
is truth." Na tv evaham jatu nasam. First thing is that nasam, we have
no nasam. We never die, that will be explained later on more clearly,
we do not die. Nasam. At any time. It is not that sometimes we die and
sometimes... No. Any time, jatu. At any time. So: "Sir, You are
Supreme Personality of Godhead, You may not die. But we die, we are
ordinary living entities." So Krsna says, nasam, na tv evaham jatu
nasam na tvam: "Neither you nor I. We never die." "So it may be I am
Your friend and You are Krsna.
Therefore the others will die." No. Neme janadhipah: "Neither these,
all these people, all these soldiers, (and) the kings who have
assembled here, they'll also not die. There is no end. They'll never
die." So, na caiva na bhavisyamah, it is not that we did not exist in
the past, and we are existing at present. That is everyone knows. So
in the future, don't think that we may not exist. Na bhavisyamah. It
is not that we shall not exist in the future. Na bhavisyamah, not
exist, and another not. Two nots make one yes. Two negatives make one
positive. So therefore, we have two negatives. Na caiva na
bhavisyamah. Na bhavisyamah means not to exist in the future; that is
not. That means we shall exist. Na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve... all
of us. All of us, you, not that "Because I am God, because you are My
friend, God's friend, and all others..." No, everyone. This is
knowledge. In the Katha Upanisad there is the verse nityo nityanam.
Nityo nityanam. Nityanam means ever existing. Nitya means ever,
always. So either Krsna or we, every one of us are ever-existing,
because we are part and parcel of Krsna. Therefore, if Krsna is
ever-existing, so we are also ever-existing. A particle of gold is
gold, qualitatively. The value of gold mine and the gold earring may
be different. Gold earring may be, say, hundred dollars, but a gold
mine, millions of dollars. But both of them are gold, not that it is
iron. Therefore, less value, no.
Krsna is the Supreme Spirit Person. He is all-pervading. Everywhere He
is present. He is so expansive. We are simply... We are also
all-pervading, but within this body. That's all. Krsna is
all-pervading means throughout the whole creation, Krsna
all-pervading. And we are also all-pervading only in this body. You
are all-pervading within your body; I know the pains and pleasures of
my body; you know the pains and pleasures of your body. So
all-pervading means within this body. If I pinch anywhere, I'll feel
pain, you'll not feel pain. Therefore, you are not all-pervading, I am
not all-pervading. But Krsna is all-pervading. When I feel pain, Krsna
knows it. Vedaham samatitani. "I know everything." That is Krsna. Try
to understand distinction between Krsna and us. He's all-pervading,
but He's nitya, ever-existing. We are also ever-existing. Nityo
nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). We have got
knowledge, Krsna has got knowledge. But we have got limited knowledge.
Krsna has got unlimited knowledge. That is the difference. Krsna is
also cognizant. He's also acknowledged. Nityo nityanam cetanas
cetananam.
Then where is the difference between Krsna and us? Yes, there is
difference. What is that? That Krsna, singular number, nityo
nityanam...nityanam, this is plural number. Cetanas cetananam.
Cetananam, this is plural number. So there is one person, singular
number. Others, they are plural number, we jivas. Anantyaya kalpate.
Jivas, that is described, the dimension of the jiva. I have several
times explained, kesagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca [Cc.
Madhya 19.140]. First of all, divide the tip of the hair into hundred
parts. Then take one of the parts, one hundredth part, again divide
into hundred parts. That small, less than atom, that is the magnitude
of the jiva. And they are anantyaya kalpate. There is no limit. There
is no limit how many living entities are there. If you search out,
after passing stool, if you search out stool, you'll find millions of
living entities, germs. Even from the hole of your room, there is
small hole, and there are ants, hundreds and thousands will come out.
So similarly, within the hole, within the earth, within the air,
within the fire even, there are germs, worms in the fire. These
rascals, they do not know. They simply think... Because nitya, nitya
means ever-existing. So in the fire the living entities does not die.
They sterilize. "Now it is sterilized." That is all nonsense.
Sterilized means the body is killed, but not this... There is
abortion. The body is killed. Contraception... The body is killed. But
the soul, he's not killed. If you make some inconvenience to the soul,
who has taken shelter in the womb, and you kill the body, then he'll
have to search out another body. This is going on. Just see how the
rascal civilization is going on. They're thinking they're killing.
This way killed, that way killed. No. You, it is sinful because you
create inconvenience to that particular soul. He was taking shelter,
karmana daiva-netrena jantur dehopapattaye [SB 3.31.1]. By his karma
he was given shelter to develop a body, and if you kill that body,
that means you go against the order of the Supreme. Daiva-netrena,
suppose you are destined to occupy some room, and somebody does not
allow you to enter that room, is it not criminal? It is criminal,
unlawful detention, unlawful... It is unlawful, even in the state.
Similarly, a living entity is developing one body, and if you kill
that, you become immediately criminal, punishable. And the living
entity who is checked to develop the body, he's put into
inconvenience, he's also sinful. He's also sinful. Therefore it may be
simply he's wandering from one womb to another, one womb to another.
Because he committed that sinful activity abortion. Now the man who
causes his abortion, he also being punished, that "You'll never see
the light of this world. You'll simply have to live one womb to
another, one womb to another. Go on." So nature's punishment is like
that. But these foolish people they do not know.
Nityo nityanam. So every living entity is nitya. As Krsna is nitya. He
is singular number we are plural number. That is the difference. We
are many; Krsna is one. There cannot be many Krsnas. But there are
many living entities. So what is the difference between the singular
number? That is also stated here: eko bahunam yo vidadhati kaman. This
one singular number is supplying all the necessities of this plural
number. Is it not fact? We are very much disturbed over population.
That is all nonsense. Krsna is quite able, if there is
overpopulation... There cannot be overpopulation, because there are
already ananta living entities, what to speaking of overpopulation? It
is already there, you cannot count. There is no question of... There
are already overpopulation. And they can be provided by Krsna. Eko
bahunam yo vidadhati kaman. Krsna is not limited; He is also
unlimited. He can provide unlimited living entities. There is no
scarcity of food. So this theory that overpopulation is nonsense. It
is also nonsense. There cannot be overpopulation. But there is
restriction, by nature. Nature will restrict production of food if
there are demons. Nature will not provide the demons. You'll find in
the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Fourth Canto, nature is quite prepared to
supply all the foods, but as soon as there are number of demons,
because the whole plan is to correct. Just like the criminals are sent
to the prison house for being corrected so that they may not again
commit criminals. That is the purpose of... Similarly, we are all
criminals who are in this material world. The purpose is to be
corrected. We wanted to imitate Krsna, to become Krsna, and therefore
we violated the orders of Krsna, and that criminality means material
life.
krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare
nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare
(Prema-vivarta)
This is maya, this material world, maya. This body is false, maya. So
we have to accept this body because we wanted to enjoy. So enjoy, you
enjoy with this body, particular body. Either human's body, or dog's
body, or cat's body, or demigod's body, you get as you desire. You get
a material body and enjoy. This is material life.
So Krsna also, although in the material life, Krsna is providing all
necessities of life. Duly, there is seasonal changes. You get seasonal
fruits, flowers, grains, and all necessities. You'll be still given
chance, especially to the human being, that you get all supplies,
necessities. Eko bahunam yo vidadhati kaman. All necessities, But
again you revive your consciousness, Krsna consciousness. That is the
plan. But if you do not revive your Krsna consciousness, if you simply
enjoy the senses, then there will be restriction of supply. This is
the law. That is the restriction of supply. Therefore, there will be
no rain. And if there is no rain, what factory will do, you rascal?
You can manufacture scissors and knives and buckets of plastic, but
you cannot prepare rice and wheat. That is not possible, sir. That
will depend on rain. So immediately rains will be restricted. Now you
all chew all these kankar (?). What is this kankar? These stone
particles?
Devotee: Pebbles?
Prabhupada: What are called these? In Hindi, it is called kankar, Indian.
Revatinandana: Pebbles?
Prabhupada: Pebbles, big. Small. Sand, sand. Yes. So you can eat that.
When there is no rain... That is also eatable. The peacocks, they eat.
The pigeons, they eat. Yes, the, they can eat. You have seen? They're
eating. So everything is there eatable. So there is no question of
overpopulation. Overpopulation is already there, anantyaya kalpate.
They why do you call overpopulation? When there is already fire, why
do you say there will be fire? It is already there. So, but, the
restriction, eko bahunam yo vidadhati kaman. That eka, that eka,
Krsna, He orders. He does not order actually. Just like, not every
time the police has to be ordered by the superior authority to punish
the criminal. They know how to punish. So the nature knows how to
punish these criminals. Therefore, the scientists are finding now
shortage of petrol, shortage of this, shortage... What to do? What to
do? This is the position. Otherwise, there is no question of
overpopulation. The supply is restricted. That is the problem. Eko yo
bahunam. Because He supplies all the necessities, the supply will be
restricted. As we become more and more sinful and without Krsna
consciousness, they will be put into difficulties, they will be dying
within the womb, they will be killed, within the womb, there will be
war, there will be pestilence, there will be famine, there will be
earthquake. In so many ways, we have to die. Bhutva bhutva praliyate
[Bg. 8.19]. Again, take birth, this business will go on. And
ultimately, when the whole universe is annihilated, then again we take
shelter in the body of Maha-Visnu and live for, in that way, without
any body, for many millions of years. Again, there is creation, and
then again given chance. "All right, take another chance. Be Krsna
conscious."
So this is material creation. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19]. As
we have got this body, we have got the chance, not to become Krsna
conscious, and if we miss, then I do not know where I am going next
life. But I am not going to die, that's a fact. That will be explained
in the next verse. I am not going to die. So we existed in the past,
we are now existing at present, and we shall continue to exist in the
future. This is the position. But how we shall exist? What kind of
body, either demigod's body or dog's body or tree's body or fish's
body, that will depend on my work. Or we go back to home, back to
Godhead, Krsna like... We get the spiritual body like Krsna.
Everything is possible.
So it is our business to see what kind of body we shall get next life.
Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]. Actually,
if we become Krsna conscious, then after giving up this body, we are
no more going to accept any material body. Because spiritual body is
already there. That is eternal. The spirit soul, the spiritual body,
that is never vanquished. It was existing in the past, it is existing
now, and it will continue to exist in the future. Because people may
say, "How is that? How odd thing Krsna is speaking, that na tv evaham
jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah." Because actually, we died. Maybe
we have taken birth again, but everyone dies. How that, that we do not
die?" No. It is not the body, but Krsna is speaking about the soul.
Soul is ever-existing. It existed in the past, it is existing now, and
it will exist. Maybe, different type of body, that is Krsna's
instruction. Another thing is that the Mayavadi philosophers say that
we are one. There is no "you" and "me." Everything one. So, then Krsna
is defective. If Krsna says, "You, Me, all others," so it is not one.
It is not homogeneous. We are all individuals. "You are individual, I
am individual, and all the kings and soldiers, they are all
individuals." So the Mayavadi theory that after liberation everyone
becomes one, one lump sum... What is called? Homogeneous spirit. No.
Then Krsna is false. The Mayavadi theory accepted, that we become one
lump sum, then Krsna's theory... Not theory, Krsna's actual knowledge.
Then it becomes false. And if Krsna speaks false, something defective,
then where is the use of reading Bhagavad-gita? Why should we read
Bhagavad-gita which is spoken by a person who is defective? No. That's
not... What Krsna is speaking, that is fact. Otherwise, why
Bhagavad-gita is given so importance? So, so Mayavadi philosophers,
they try to interpret in a different way, " 'I' means this, 'you'
means that," some... (end)
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 2.12 -- London, August 18, 1973
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